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	<title>Comments on: 10-year TIPS auction Monday, Jan 11</title>
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		<title>by: Tom Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.savings-bond-advisor.com/10-year-tips-auction-monday-jan-11/#comment-61802</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 15:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Mike - you are correct that the formula I gave above assumes the inflation/interest payments are reinvested, which is true for Savings Bonds but not, as you point out, for TIPS.

Every month the Treasury publishes indexes for calculating the current value of every TIPS ever issued. I think perhaps this is what you're looking for in terms of exact values of TIPS including the inflation component. See, for example, &lt;a href="http://www.treasurydirect.gov/instit/annceresult/tipscpi/tipscpi_pr_cpi032010.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;this month's indexes&lt;/a&gt;.

Tom Adams</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike - you are correct that the formula I gave above assumes the inflation/interest payments are reinvested, which is true for Savings Bonds but not, as you point out, for TIPS.</p>
<p>Every month the Treasury publishes indexes for calculating the current value of every TIPS ever issued. I think perhaps this is what you're looking for in terms of exact values of TIPS including the inflation component. See, for example, <a href="http://www.treasurydirect.gov/instit/annceresult/tipscpi/tipscpi_pr_cpi032010.htm" rel="nofollow">this month's indexes</a>.</p>
<p>Tom Adams
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		<title>by: Mike B.</title>
		<link>http://www.savings-bond-advisor.com/10-year-tips-auction-monday-jan-11/#comment-61785</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 13:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Tom - just to amplify on your response.

Let's assume 1% inflation every 6 months (essentially the same as 2%/year). The principal at maturity is A*(1.01)^20=1.22A. In addition to this, every 6 months the owner gets interest payments, totaling (0.0146/2)*A*Sum(1.01)^n, where the sum is from n=1 to 20. This interest term is 0.162A, for a total return of 1.38A. Your equation gives a little more, because it assumes reinvestment of the interest payments using the same rates (which you can't easily do).

I don't think using the average inflation rate in this example causes much error. If all the inflation occurred in the first 6 months and none thereafter, the total return would be 1.40A using the above method. If the inflation instead all occurred during the last 6 months, it would be 1.37A, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom - just to amplify on your response.</p>
<p>Let's assume 1% inflation every 6 months (essentially the same as 2%/year). The principal at maturity is A*(1.01)^20=1.22A. In addition to this, every 6 months the owner gets interest payments, totaling (0.0146/2)*A*Sum(1.01)^n, where the sum is from n=1 to 20. This interest term is 0.162A, for a total return of 1.38A. Your equation gives a little more, because it assumes reinvestment of the interest payments using the same rates (which you can't easily do).</p>
<p>I don't think using the average inflation rate in this example causes much error. If all the inflation occurred in the first 6 months and none thereafter, the total return would be 1.40A using the above method. If the inflation instead all occurred during the last 6 months, it would be 1.37A, I think.
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		<title>by: Tom Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.savings-bond-advisor.com/10-year-tips-auction-monday-jan-11/#comment-61115</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 20:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Mo - your math looks wrong to me. The formula would be, where:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
V = Current Value

A = Amount Invested

n = number of years

V = A * (1 + .0146 + .02) ^ n
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

However, the inflation rate is actually adjusted monthly with TIPS, and I don't believe using an average inflation rate like this is going to be very accurate.

Tom Adams</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mo - your math looks wrong to me. The formula would be, where:</p>
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V = Current Value</p>
<p>A = Amount Invested</p>
<p>n = number of years</p>
<p>V = A * (1 + .0146 + .02) ^ n
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<p>However, the inflation rate is actually adjusted monthly with TIPS, and I don't believe using an average inflation rate like this is going to be very accurate.</p>
<p>Tom Adams
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		<title>by: Mo</title>
		<link>http://www.savings-bond-advisor.com/10-year-tips-auction-monday-jan-11/#comment-60984</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 08:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Anyone has a live example of a 10 year TIPS purchased a few year back and what ends up to be the approx inflation adjusted rate per year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone has a live example of a 10 year TIPS purchased a few year back and what ends up to be the approx inflation adjusted rate per year.
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		<title>by: Mo</title>
		<link>http://www.savings-bond-advisor.com/10-year-tips-auction-monday-jan-11/#comment-60983</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 08:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Is this correct concept in the following simplified example?

Assuming a 2% inflation each year &#38; the yield at purchase is 1.46%:  My one dollar after 10 year TIPS will be 1x(1.0146)x(1.0146+0.02)x(1.0146+0.02x0.02)x(1.0146+0.02+0.02+0.02)x(1.0146+0.08)x(1.146+0.1)x (  1.0146+0.12)x(1.0146+0.14)x(1.0146+0.16)x(1.0146+0.16)  =1.1475  or a 14.7% total return.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this correct concept in the following simplified example?</p>
<p>Assuming a 2% inflation each year &amp; the yield at purchase is 1.46%:  My one dollar after 10 year TIPS will be 1x(1.0146)x(1.0146+0.02)x(1.0146+0.02&#215;0.02)x(1.0146+0.02+0.02+0.02)x(1.0146+0.08)x(1.146+0.1)x (  1.0146+0.12)x(1.0146+0.14)x(1.0146+0.16)x(1.0146+0.16)  =1.1475  or a 14.7% total return.
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		<title>by: Tom Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.savings-bond-advisor.com/10-year-tips-auction-monday-jan-11/#comment-55589</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Mike - I double-checked the press release for this auction and you are correct, it says both the &lt;i&gt;real yield&lt;/i&gt; and the &lt;i&gt;interest rate&lt;/i&gt; will be determined at the auction. It's only on a reopening that you know the interest rate of the bond in advance, but in that case the yield can be very different from the rate. &lt;a href="http://www.savings-bond-advisor.com/5-year-tips-auction-yield-is-1954/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Here's an example&lt;/a&gt;.

The point you make about the uncertainty of TIPS interest rates is a good one, although &lt;a href="http://www.savings-bond-advisor.com/link-between-inflation-bonds-and-national-credit-ratings-declines/" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow"&gt;S &#38; P says it's associated with a country's credit rating&lt;/a&gt;.

Tom Adams</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike - I double-checked the press release for this auction and you are correct, it says both the <i>real yield</i> and the <i>interest rate</i> will be determined at the auction. It's only on a reopening that you know the interest rate of the bond in advance, but in that case the yield can be very different from the rate. <a href="http://www.savings-bond-advisor.com/5-year-tips-auction-yield-is-1954/" rel="nofollow">Here's an example</a>.</p>
<p>The point you make about the uncertainty of TIPS interest rates is a good one, although <a href="http://www.savings-bond-advisor.com/link-between-inflation-bonds-and-national-credit-ratings-declines/" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">S &amp; P says it's associated with a country's credit rating</a>.</p>
<p>Tom Adams
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