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		<title>by: Tom Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.savings-bond-advisor.com/savings-bonds-living-trusts-and-avoiding-probate/#comment-64775</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Andy - thanks for the info. The 5511 form isn't available on the Treasury's Savings Bonds forms web page, which is a key reason why you to contact TD directly - to get a copy of the form you need.

Tom Adams</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy - thanks for the info. The 5511 form isn't available on the Treasury's Savings Bonds forms web page, which is a key reason why you to contact TD directly - to get a copy of the form you need.</p>
<p>Tom Adams
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		<title>by: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.savings-bond-advisor.com/savings-bonds-living-trusts-and-avoiding-probate/#comment-64612</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Tom,  As usual you are correct.  TD is telling me to use Form PD F 5511 E, called Transfer Request, to transfer from joint registration to a trust.  Appaerntly you mail in trust docs with the Transfer form.  See below a copy of an email i received from TD.  I'll let you know how it goes.


Hi, 

Trust registrations in TreasuryDirect are only available when you establish a TreasuryDirect account in the name of the trust.  Therefore, you must establish a trust account to accomplish the transfer. 

Information regarding trust registrations in TreasuryDirect is shown below. 

Trust (trustee of a trust): The registration must identify the trust with specificity; at a minimum, it must include the authority or document creating the trust, the date the document was executed (except in the case of a probated will when the date is not necessary), the name of a trustee of the trust who is authorized to act alone on behalf of the trust with regard to the account, and any information that is necessary to distinguish the trust from any other trust, including the name of the grantor(s).  The registration may also include the names of additional trustees and the full name of the trust.  If one or more of the trustees are individuals, and the entity account manager is an individual trustee, the entity account manager must be named in the registration. If an organization serving as a trustee of the trust will administer this account, the entity account manager must be a duly-authorized employee of that organization who has the authority to act alone on behalf of the organization in its role as trustee of the trust with regard to the account, and the organization must be named in the registration.  In either case, the entity account manager must certify that he or she has the authority to act alone on behalf of the trust with regard to the account. 

Registration examples: “John Doe, Trustee under Declaration of Trust dated January 1, 2001, SSN 123-45-6789;” “First National Bank, Trustee under Declaration of Trust dated January 1, 2001, EIN 12-3456789;” “John Doe or Sarah Jones, Trustees under Agreement with Jane Doe dated January 1, 2001, SSN 123-45-6789;” “Sarah Jones, Trustee under the Will of Matthew Smith, deceased, SSN 123-45-6789.” The EIN of the trust or the SSN of the grantor will be used. 

The trust form of registration is not available where the trustee is acting on behalf of a federal, state or local government. 

However, before we can transfer the securities to your trust account, we will need a copy of the trust. 

You must provide one of the following: 

A copy of the trust agreement with amendments. 
The relevant trust excerpts and amendments.

The copy of the trust must be certified to be a true and correct copy of the original and the following pages must be included: 

The page showing the name and date of the trust. 
The page(s) identifying the successor trustee(s).  If more than one successor trustee is named and each can act independently, submit that portion of the trust. 
The signature page. 
Any amendments to the trust that may alter the information on the pages submitted or limit the authority of the trustee(s) to request the transaction.

We will also need the attached PD F 5511. 

Our mailing address is: 

TreasuryDirect 
POB 7015 
Parkersburg WV 26106-7015</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,  As usual you are correct.  TD is telling me to use Form PD F 5511 E, called Transfer Request, to transfer from joint registration to a trust.  Appaerntly you mail in trust docs with the Transfer form.  See below a copy of an email i received from TD.  I'll let you know how it goes.</p>
<p>Hi, </p>
<p>Trust registrations in TreasuryDirect are only available when you establish a TreasuryDirect account in the name of the trust.  Therefore, you must establish a trust account to accomplish the transfer. </p>
<p>Information regarding trust registrations in TreasuryDirect is shown below. </p>
<p>Trust (trustee of a trust): The registration must identify the trust with specificity; at a minimum, it must include the authority or document creating the trust, the date the document was executed (except in the case of a probated will when the date is not necessary), the name of a trustee of the trust who is authorized to act alone on behalf of the trust with regard to the account, and any information that is necessary to distinguish the trust from any other trust, including the name of the grantor(s).  The registration may also include the names of additional trustees and the full name of the trust.  If one or more of the trustees are individuals, and the entity account manager is an individual trustee, the entity account manager must be named in the registration. If an organization serving as a trustee of the trust will administer this account, the entity account manager must be a duly-authorized employee of that organization who has the authority to act alone on behalf of the organization in its role as trustee of the trust with regard to the account, and the organization must be named in the registration.  In either case, the entity account manager must certify that he or she has the authority to act alone on behalf of the trust with regard to the account. </p>
<p>Registration examples: “John Doe, Trustee under Declaration of Trust dated January 1, 2001, SSN 123-45-6789;” “First National Bank, Trustee under Declaration of Trust dated January 1, 2001, EIN 12-3456789;” “John Doe or Sarah Jones, Trustees under Agreement with Jane Doe dated January 1, 2001, SSN 123-45-6789;” “Sarah Jones, Trustee under the Will of Matthew Smith, deceased, SSN 123-45-6789.” The EIN of the trust or the SSN of the grantor will be used. </p>
<p>The trust form of registration is not available where the trustee is acting on behalf of a federal, state or local government. </p>
<p>However, before we can transfer the securities to your trust account, we will need a copy of the trust. </p>
<p>You must provide one of the following: </p>
<p>A copy of the trust agreement with amendments.<br />
The relevant trust excerpts and amendments.</p>
<p>The copy of the trust must be certified to be a true and correct copy of the original and the following pages must be included: </p>
<p>The page showing the name and date of the trust.<br />
The page(s) identifying the successor trustee(s).  If more than one successor trustee is named and each can act independently, submit that portion of the trust.<br />
The signature page.<br />
Any amendments to the trust that may alter the information on the pages submitted or limit the authority of the trustee(s) to request the transaction.</p>
<p>We will also need the attached PD F 5511. </p>
<p>Our mailing address is: </p>
<p>TreasuryDirect<br />
POB 7015<br />
Parkersburg WV 26106-7015
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		<title>by: Tom Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.savings-bond-advisor.com/savings-bonds-living-trusts-and-avoiding-probate/#comment-64594</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Andy - The best answer to this question will come from logging into your TD account and using the menu item there to ask the TD people directly.

My guess is they will tell you to open another TD account in the name of the trust and then transfer the bonds from your current account to the the trust account. However, a TD account transfer like this is typically a taxable event, while a transfer to a trust is typically not, so you need to ask them exactly how to do it.

And when the transaction is complete, please come back and tell us what you had to do!

Tom Adams</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy - The best answer to this question will come from logging into your TD account and using the menu item there to ask the TD people directly.</p>
<p>My guess is they will tell you to open another TD account in the name of the trust and then transfer the bonds from your current account to the the trust account. However, a TD account transfer like this is typically a taxable event, while a transfer to a trust is typically not, so you need to ask them exactly how to do it.</p>
<p>And when the transaction is complete, please come back and tell us what you had to do!</p>
<p>Tom Adams
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		<title>by: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.savings-bond-advisor.com/savings-bonds-living-trusts-and-avoiding-probate/#comment-64426</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Tom,  My wife and I own several I bonds jointly in electronic form.  We are interested in a reissue into a trust registration.  I've reviewed the Treasury's Reissue Form P DF 1851, and it seems that it'll only work if you can mail them paper bonds first.  Do you know the bottom line on this?  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,  My wife and I own several I bonds jointly in electronic form.  We are interested in a reissue into a trust registration.  I've reviewed the Treasury's Reissue Form P DF 1851, and it seems that it'll only work if you can mail them paper bonds first.  Do you know the bottom line on this?  Thanks.
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		<title>by: Tom Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.savings-bond-advisor.com/savings-bonds-living-trusts-and-avoiding-probate/#comment-61800</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 15:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Pat - the bonds are yours and do not go through probate. You would benefit from a weekend reading my &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0976064537?tag=alert-20" rel="nofollow"&gt;book about Savings Bonds&lt;/a&gt; to determine the best time to cash the bonds and other information you - and anyone with a large portfolio of Savings Bonds - needs to have.

Tom Adams</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat - the bonds are yours and do not go through probate. You would benefit from a weekend reading my <a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0976064537?tag=alert-20" rel="nofollow">book about Savings Bonds</a> to determine the best time to cash the bonds and other information you - and anyone with a large portfolio of Savings Bonds - needs to have.</p>
<p>Tom Adams
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		<title>by: Pat</title>
		<link>http://www.savings-bond-advisor.com/savings-bonds-living-trusts-and-avoiding-probate/#comment-61683</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 21:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I am the co-owner on EE HH And I bonds, the primary owner is now deceased. Can I cash the bonds with my SS# now or any time in future,as when my tax bracket is lower? From your prior advice, I believe that the bonds do not go into probate for her estate. Is that correct? Note: my father is still alive and the beneficiary named in the will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am the co-owner on EE HH And I bonds, the primary owner is now deceased. Can I cash the bonds with my SS# now or any time in future,as when my tax bracket is lower? From your prior advice, I believe that the bonds do not go into probate for her estate. Is that correct? Note: my father is still alive and the beneficiary named in the will.
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